Comments for "MiG-29 thrust vectoring demonstration" Video at VideoSift.com

By jubuttib

jubuttib (http://www.videosift.com/member/jubuttib) — Wed, 07 May 2008 14:55:49 -0700

Fucking mind-blowing. The F22 can have all the technology in the world and may be as combat efficient as it wants, but it'll never ever ever be as agile as the russian planes and it'll never be anywhere near as pretty either.

By sillma

sillma (http://www.videosift.com/member/sillma) — Wed, 07 May 2008 14:59:03 -0700

I concur.

By kulpims

kulpims (http://www.videosift.com/member/kulpims) — Wed, 07 May 2008 15:36:35 -0700

+ you get like 10 MiGs for the price of one F-22

By Doc_M

Doc_M (http://docm.videosift.com) — Thu, 08 May 2008 11:32:22 -0700

^That's because one F-22 could take out 10 migs. lol.
If you think there is an airforce in the world that is even remotely competitive with the US, you are delusional.

Well, Iranian "experts" might agree with you, but that's about it.

By Pooterius

Pooterius (http://www.videosift.com/member/Pooterius) — Thu, 08 May 2008 11:41:12 -0700

That was so beautiful. I love how the smoke curls away from the tailplanes so symmetrically, and that they can turn it on and off. Also, I love the decoration of the aircraft. The large red star on the top gives it a comic book appeal. And those maneuvers. They didn't even bother with the Herbst Maneuver. That's kid stuff for this grown up OVT.

By twiddles

twiddles (http://twiddles.videosift.com) — Thu, 08 May 2008 13:37:03 -0700

Projected unit cost for 2007 of an F-22 was $135 million.
(http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-22-cost.htm)

Cost per unit of MiG35 is about $80 million based on India's contract to purchase 126 for $10 billion.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/mig-35.htm

By kulpims

kulpims (http://www.videosift.com/member/kulpims) — Thu, 08 May 2008 13:40:06 -0700

>> ^Doc_M:
^That's because one F-22 could take out 10 migs. lol.
If you think there is an airforce in the world that is even remotely competitive with the US, you are delusional.

Well, Iranian "experts" might agree with you, but that's about it.

well, most of iranian air force is comprised of old pre-1980's F-14's, anyway. but i agree, F-22's electronics and weapons systems are too awesome for any competitor. you have to admire the russian engineering skillz, though

By Payback

Payback (http://www.videosift.com/member/Payback) — Thu, 08 May 2008 14:52:41 -0700

So? The Russians can pucker the assholes on their planes as well as their pilots. Big whoop.

ps. (after multiple downvotes) Comon guys/gals! I was being facetious!

By Farhad2000

Farhad2000 (http://farhad.videosift.com) — Thu, 08 May 2008 15:52:25 -0700

Actually the combat performance between F-22 and Mig-92 has never been put to test. In fact the F-22 hasn't been fielded in a combat role yet.

The Russians have also developed covert ECM systems for their fleet only that is not for export markets. Having seen their new ECM systems like the Shrota on their T-90s I would be apprehensive about declaring their combat inferiority just yet.

Futhermore the Mig-29 is a spec system meant for combat with the F-16 and the F/A-18 Hornet not the F-22 Raptor.

Possibly the Mig-35 or Su-47 is the plane for that role. I will actually maybe know tomorrow, its the 60th anniversary of Russia's V day and the first time in many decades a full military parade will be taking place, will probably get to see alot of tech.

By DavidRaine

DavidRaine (http://www.videosift.com/member/DavidRaine) — Thu, 08 May 2008 18:54:50 -0700

Lack of upvote for the camera work -- By zooming in so close, tracking with the aircraft, and continually changing camera angles, any sense of this fighter traveling through space is lost. We get a bit of a directional cue from the smoke trails, but I'd be much happier watching the plane from further away with a steady camera or one moving independently of the craft so we can actually see it move through the sky.

Coincidentally, it's the same thing that's wrong with some action scenes.

By muddro

muddro (http://www.videosift.com/member/muddro) — Thu, 08 May 2008 18:58:47 -0700

sigh. look ma, no proof! some people sure like to talk out of total ignorance. if you are going to say that any nation's technology is guaranteed to best another's in battle, you should show some proof. i wouldn't say the us or the russians would best the other, because it's clear enough that they're both working within the same approximate generation of aircraft technology. it's naive to assume that one country has a weapon that cannot be countered in any way by the rest of the world. if there is ever a real possibility of that, you can expect a real possibility of nuclear war to follow it. whoever said one f22 would best 10 mig35s is probably wiping his ass with red white and blue toilet paper.

By StukaFox

StukaFox (http://www.videosift.com/member/StukaFox) — Thu, 08 May 2008 20:53:23 -0700

The Mig-29: The World's Most Expensive Lawndart.

By complacentnation

complacentnation (http://www.videosift.com/member/complacentnation) — Thu, 08 May 2008 21:11:53 -0700

See... I knew some government was responsible for all these UFO sightings.

By Bidouleroux

Bidouleroux (http://www.videosift.com/member/Bidouleroux) — Thu, 08 May 2008 22:45:04 -0700

Where's my Variable Fighter?

By JTZ

JTZ (http://jtz.videosift.com) — Thu, 08 May 2008 23:29:58 -0700

I am kind of sad now, earlier i wrote a long comment hit summit then went back to work, apparently it didn't summit... =(

Any way, I was gonna say "thurst-vectoring" nozzles are installed on F-22 as well. And on paper the Raptor suppose to be really agile as well, and is able to pull off most of the maneuvers, ie: the "Pugachev's Cobra". The reason the Su-27 Flanker and Mig-29 family is so agile is bc of the unstable Delta wing config, along with unstable large frame.

And Farhad that is the Mig-35 you are looking at. It is not the counter to F-22 at all, it's suppose to be the alternative of Euro-fighter 2000. Now the Su-37 is suppose to be the cheaper counter maesure to F-22 it is one of the 1st planes to have Thrust vector engine, as well as ultra long range front and rare mount radar for detecting stealth aircraft also some radar cross section reduction. But the plane is still too expensive for the Russians and so far no other countries are willing to shell out the money for it. There are also prototypes of the Mikoyan Project 1.44 and the Su-47(It is kind of a dropped project like the YF-23 Black widow) also Sukhoi PAK FA which is the Sukhoi's answer to F-22 and F-35, they are what to be considered of Russian 5th Gen fighters that's on par with F-22 and F-35.

By NetRunner

NetRunner (http://www.videosift.com/member/NetRunner) — Thu, 08 May 2008 23:35:23 -0700

Farhad's right, the MiG-29 is aimed more at F-16/FA-18 planes. It costs a bit more than either, but it'll tear the wings off either one in a dogfight.

Question is, which gets the first look/first kill? That's purely a function of classified electronics, so who knows.

By coolhund

coolhund (http://www.videosift.com/member/coolhund) — Fri, 09 May 2008 05:34:51 -0700

Ok, looks nice. But what is it good for? I believe there are no real dogfights anymore nowadays. And you cant outmaneuver a missile, even with that.

Speaking of which, it has been clarified before, that the cobra maneuver is extremely dangerous in combat.

And why the hell do they have a big soviet star painted on the plane???

By coolhund

coolhund (http://www.videosift.com/member/coolhund) — Fri, 09 May 2008 06:09:47 -0700

>> ^NetRunner:
Farhad's right, the MiG-29 is aimed more at F-16/FA-18 planes. It costs a bit more than either, but it'll tear the wings off either one in a dogfight.

Question is, which gets the first look/first kill? That's purely a function of classified electronics, so who knows.

http://aeroweb.lucia.it/rap/RAFAQ/Buzzards.html

By EnemyCombatant

EnemyCombatant (http://www.videosift.com/member/EnemyCombatant) — Fri, 09 May 2008 07:39:42 -0700

A roommate maintains the 22s currently in service, and was privy to some of their last war games statistics. Basically they were the first to arrive to the sortie and left after launching their payloads without suffering any losses.

It might not be the most cost effective from a pure equipment standpoint, but when you include the costs of training the human resources involved, I'd pay a premium for the 22 over "10 MiGs" any day.

By MarineGunrock

MarineGunrock (http://marinegunrock.videosift.com) — Fri, 09 May 2008 13:03:34 -0700

*spacy

By siftbot

siftbot (http://www.videosift.com/member/siftbot) — Fri, 09 May 2008 13:03:34 -0700

Adding video to channels (Spacy) - requested by MarineGunrock.

By Bakalex

Bakalex (http://www.videosift.com/member/Bakalex) — Fri, 09 May 2008 15:34:05 -0700

Was it an unaired episode of "Pimp my ride" ?

By jwray

jwray (http://jwray.videosift.com) — Fri, 09 May 2008 18:50:13 -0700

F-16s had this in the early 1990s.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt3neRLquDI

Turning too suddenly still sacrifices your air intake.

By DrPawn

DrPawn (http://www.videosift.com/member/DrPawn) — Fri, 09 May 2008 20:46:11 -0700

This way the russians can look pretty when they get a missle up the tail pipe from an F-22 going 10 times the speed of sound, 50 miles away.

Awesome. What a bunch of crap.

By ShakaUVM

ShakaUVM (http://www.videosift.com/member/ShakaUVM) — Fri, 16 May 2008 02:16:08 -0700

I like the red, white and blue paintjob. Very American.

(Yes, yes, I know the Russian flag is R,W&B, too.)